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Feb. 19th, 2010 09:23 pmFrom a comment thread on
ontd_startrek wherein Star Trek/Firefly crossovers were discussed. Namely, how they'd work.
First, I NEED TO WATCH THIS SHOW AGAIN. It's been a year or so since I've seen any of it, I think, and I had a hankering to watch it again not long ago but had other stuff (prolly school) to do and didn't. Want.
Second, the question was posed: Putting both fandoms in the same area of space isn't too far of a stretch (
hiding_places suggested they were in the Romulan Neutral Zone, thus preventing contact either direction), but how do you explain that Star Trek's got warp at 2053 and the Federation kicks in about one hundred years later, but Firefly's in the Unification war in 2506 without said warpy awesome?
To fix the tech discrepancy, I always sort of pictured it as a Battlestar Galactica-like situation. Colonists break off because of whatever, Earth-that-was (the one that joins up with the Federation and all manner of win like that) is essentially again the mythical 13th colony. And Earth's naturally technologically ahead because they don't have to waste their resources building up new colonies and terraforming and trying to survive, which I presume takes hundreds of years, and could pretty easily put the colonists back that far. Not to mention, it's not necessarily that Fireflyverse is totally behind--it's easy to assume because of the rim worlds' tech, but we hear of things like laser pistols and sonic guns and the whole hospital on Ariel is pretty kick ass if you move in towards the core--though I wouldn't argue that it is a little, we see more divergent tech evolution (that yes, happens to be slower for the above-named reason) than simply progressing like molasses along the same technological track as the Star Trek-verse.
So if St's first contact was 2053, considering that Earth just left a massive, massive war and had no resources and presumably the communications were also shit, I don't think it's too far out there to assume that it's some time before warp ships were available to the general populace (we know Travis Mayweather's folks had one sometime before the 2150s, but idk if they mention how far before). The leaving colonists would probably thus turn to one of those cryogenic ships that we see being used around the Eugenics wars as the most recent decently available technology, which also happens to be really suited to the running away they're trying to do. Maybe they're cryovac'd for 100 years, and then 300ish spent building the colonies and forming the fledgling Alliance to piss off the outer colonies before the Unification war starts.
The story that Earth was dead and dried up when the colonists left it is just the result of whatever division that led the colonists to leave in the first place spawning revisionist history that nobody now knows is incorrect. And then if you go with the RNZ explanation (like!), no communication. Other possibilities include the delta or gamma quadrants (the latter if you want the Fireflyverse to be easily play-withable, thanks to the handy dandy wormhole) since we still don't know heads nor tails of those guys. Also, possibly beyond the galactic barrier--Earth and Vulcan and Kronos and stuff are really pretty close to the edge of the galaxy if I'm recalling my Star Trek maps correctly, yet we rarely leave it in the later ST universes (I can recall one of the TOS-set video games doing so, but nothing else springs to mind).
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First, I NEED TO WATCH THIS SHOW AGAIN. It's been a year or so since I've seen any of it, I think, and I had a hankering to watch it again not long ago but had other stuff (prolly school) to do and didn't. Want.
Second, the question was posed: Putting both fandoms in the same area of space isn't too far of a stretch (
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To fix the tech discrepancy, I always sort of pictured it as a Battlestar Galactica-like situation. Colonists break off because of whatever, Earth-that-was (the one that joins up with the Federation and all manner of win like that) is essentially again the mythical 13th colony. And Earth's naturally technologically ahead because they don't have to waste their resources building up new colonies and terraforming and trying to survive, which I presume takes hundreds of years, and could pretty easily put the colonists back that far. Not to mention, it's not necessarily that Fireflyverse is totally behind--it's easy to assume because of the rim worlds' tech, but we hear of things like laser pistols and sonic guns and the whole hospital on Ariel is pretty kick ass if you move in towards the core--though I wouldn't argue that it is a little, we see more divergent tech evolution (that yes, happens to be slower for the above-named reason) than simply progressing like molasses along the same technological track as the Star Trek-verse.
So if St's first contact was 2053, considering that Earth just left a massive, massive war and had no resources and presumably the communications were also shit, I don't think it's too far out there to assume that it's some time before warp ships were available to the general populace (we know Travis Mayweather's folks had one sometime before the 2150s, but idk if they mention how far before). The leaving colonists would probably thus turn to one of those cryogenic ships that we see being used around the Eugenics wars as the most recent decently available technology, which also happens to be really suited to the running away they're trying to do. Maybe they're cryovac'd for 100 years, and then 300ish spent building the colonies and forming the fledgling Alliance to piss off the outer colonies before the Unification war starts.
The story that Earth was dead and dried up when the colonists left it is just the result of whatever division that led the colonists to leave in the first place spawning revisionist history that nobody now knows is incorrect. And then if you go with the RNZ explanation (like!), no communication. Other possibilities include the delta or gamma quadrants (the latter if you want the Fireflyverse to be easily play-withable, thanks to the handy dandy wormhole) since we still don't know heads nor tails of those guys. Also, possibly beyond the galactic barrier--Earth and Vulcan and Kronos and stuff are really pretty close to the edge of the galaxy if I'm recalling my Star Trek maps correctly, yet we rarely leave it in the later ST universes (I can recall one of the TOS-set video games doing so, but nothing else springs to mind).